Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:26 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:justjess wrote:I've been having this exact same debate for years.. it goes nowhere unfortunately. The mental gymnastics required to be okay with this are incredible. I agree with u completely gnostic.
All we can do is give the facts as we understand them and not be upset when theists cannot understand what is written in their holy books.
We have to remember that the lying priests, preachers and imams got at them when young and have indoctrinated them into their lies.
Facts do not matter to those who have scrapped their logic and reason for the faith of fools.
Note how our friend above cannot follow a simple logic trail and can no longer use reason.
Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:29 pm
Gnostic Bishop wrote:KoncreteMind wrote:Gnostic Bishop wrote:
The did not choose wrong.
To choose, knowledge is required of what you are choosing between.
If they werent wrong, the world would be in a better place, and not in a worse place. As well, only YOU assume they had no knowledge before eating from the tree. That isnt biblical though...The tree of knowledge holds all possible knowledge and their place on the good and evil graph.
False. The CREATOR, who was with them in the garden, who created them AND the tree, holds ALL possible knowledge. Yet instead of going to Him, they went to the tree for knowledge. The very same tree, they were told to NOT go to. So for the umpteenth time, why does it make sense that they wouldnt go to the CREATOR for the knowledge they sought, but instead go to the tree? You dont want to answer because it pokes a hole in your gnostic interpretation of the story...A & E had no knowledge of anything and could not have even had the desire to choose. They could not see a choice because, as scriptures say, they were mentally blind.
That lack of desire is why they did not reproduce till after eating of the tree of knowledge.
Thats your lazy interpretation that they knew NOTHING before eating from the tree.
Again you say God was there when the script says he was not, but if you want to think knowledge can be had, and its evaluation as to good and evil, without that knowledge, I will leave you with your delusional thinking.
Mon Feb 20, 2017 4:25 pm
Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:03 pm
Scimitar wrote:Seek knowledge even in China - the Prophet Muhammad pbuh
China is not a part of any Abrahamic tradition of faith, yet we were instructed to travel to the limits of civilisation in order to seek beneficial knowledge. China has always been at the limit of civilisation, known as the land of the rising sun - and the most easterly of mainland nations with its own history. The idea behind the hadeeth is to travel and seek beneficial knowledge wherever one finds it.
Islam came to the world to kill ignorance (Jahilliyah) among humanity.
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things). - 49:13
Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:23 pm