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Taragaia wrote:Karlysymon wrote:What do you mean He doesn't accept us to use it? You are an intelligent being. I already answered this question in my conversation with Loki at GB's thread on page 7. So will copy and paste.
If we use it, and do not follow the Bible because of our choice, we burn in hell forever. I don't call that acceptance.Karlysymon wrote:Intelligence and freewill guarantee the possibility of rebellion. It didn't have to be Lucifer to sin first. It could have been any one else.
Yeah,they do. Now why would God then be upset that the expected result came?Karlysymon wrote:3) Create intelligent beings and run the risk of rejection/rebellion.
Yes. And presumably He did that. Why would He need us to obey Him? Why would He have to care whether we rebelled? I mean it's all fine and dandy until those Bible verses about eternal torment come along that tell us that if we don't do as He says in the Bible we're going to be screaming forever in burning brimstone.
That would maybe be OK if God didn't know what was going to happen, but He did know. So why is He that cruel?
First off, i have to say that people claim that the bible says this and that. Things that aren't true. The doctrine of people screaming in hell is biblically and logically unsound. Even the verses you quoted below are so clear on the matter. The fate of the wicked will be as that of Sodom and Gomorrah. They were consumed and no longer stand today. More recent examples are Pompeii destroyed when Vesuvius erupted in 79a.d and Krakatoa.
God gave us freewill and our bad choices grieve him. Just like you would hurt when your adult child makes choices that you are aware of as being only trouble. But you cannot do a thing about it because s/he is an adult and has the right to do as they see fit.
God knew all that was going to happen. The question remains: do you want intelligence and freewill or do you want to be a robot? I don't want to be an automaton. Don't know about you.......
C.S Lewis wrote:“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell.
Everyone who will perish, God will merely have answered their cry for independence. Any creation's independence means death. We are all dependent on God for existance. If He pulls the plug, its game over since we cannot self create or be self existent. Everyone who doesn't want to depend on God/wants to exist apart from God is crying out for death.