
Rainerann wrote:Very confused how you are separately distinguishing Israel from Abraham through whom the blessings descend from. I also understand that some say that the experience of Africans is said to represent the curses the Bible mentions would happen to Israel because of their disobedience.
Abraham had Ishmael as a child as well as Isaac. According to the bible, Ishmael would be blessed, but the covenant would be through Isaac, and later, Jacob.
However, you cannot separately distinguish this from Abraham who was the reason Israel was blessed and the grandfather of jacob. Whatever verses you are using would also not be able to discredit people from being a descendent in northern areas. Jews were in Italy during the time of Christ. I know a lot of people talk about the whole thirteenth tribe thing and the khazars who converted to Judaism. However, there was another group of Jews who went west. When they were expelled from Spain they populated Portugal even further west. So many of them left, that Portugal may as well have been called Israel. Although, this region is also well known for cryptojews as well so its difficult to say how many of them were in this area, but if you are Portuguese, it is likely you are also descended from Judah. These are the ones known as Sephardic Jews.
The point I was making to Tara comes into play here about ancient Israelites (Joseph and Moses to be exact) being mistaken for ancient Egyptians. I dont think a modern Israeli, or Sephardic Jews would be mistaken with the ancient Egyptians. If these three groups were in one place, I think you could easily tell them apart when that shouldnt be the case (according to the bible). Whats your opinion on that?
This would demonstrate how they were scattered and no one nation represents this phenomenon. I am very curious what verses you are using that are isolating anyone as the real Israelites. I need verses please. However, I agree that you can be a descendent and not practice Judaism, which is a religion not a race.
I agree that the Israelites were scattered across the world. I just also see it that whereever they are, they'd look like the ancient Egyptians. If they dont, then that means they intermingled with the surrounding people. What is certain is that the bible says they will be regathered BY God (not bankers) and brought into their land again. Since this hasnt happened, its either the bible is a myth, or it will happen in the future...
Deuteronomy 28's curses to be exact is what Im referring. The chapter says that the curses will be a sign on the descendants FOREVER.