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Adolescence

PostTue Jan 13, 2015 4:29 pm

Adolescence is nothing but a social construct that was intended to keep us in a childish like state so that we could be forced to go to school longer. This would allow the the state/elite to further program us into a "dumbed down" homogenous society that would only be consumers and never producers of anything.

People need to start treating their children like adults and stop coddling them. Boys and girls in this society grow up and look like adults but yet still act like children because of the way the state raises them, but also because of the way parents nowadays treat their children, like they were new born babies. I guess that can't be helped since our parents were conditioned with the same programing tactics.

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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 12:59 am

I think you are confusing a transitional state which actually occurs and the way society deals with it, they are two distinct things. Adolescence in terms of the hormonal/sexual changes which encompasses mood and brain changes as well as sleep wake pattern changes (adolescents have melantonin issues because their hormones are whacked but also need more sleep) is an objective fact. Even the ancient Greeks had a conception of it,the word liminal came from this in-between period in a mans life but lacking the medical abilities to document it, it was rather an intuition. But youth were treated differently. I do think however you are right in some regards. Because now adolescent behaviour or behaviour typically associated with it has extended well into peoples 30s. The same kids I knew in first year uni at 17-18 at 23-25 are EXACTLY the same. And its accepted, or normalised. There is now this whole discourse that your 20s and latter 20s, not early is a time to be completely self-absorbed, profligate-its perfectly legitimate to have no career goals because at 27 you are ''still finding yourself'' and travelling and bar hopping in another country is where this self will be found...I have family members some who didnt go to uni, picked up trades or hairdressing who are no better. In fact worse. Have over 10 years of full time work behind them and own NOTHING other than expensive shoes, and lots and lots of drunken club photos. So I dont think its just the 'academy' or school curricula . Conversely I have been at uni for years, and will continue to be...and have been looking after myself since I was 17. But as a child I was placed in a situation where I had responsibility and my life didnt revolve around toys or having my every whim satisfied. Its the narcissistic culture and the reinforcement of this as a healthy and legitimate way to be via social media that I think is the real cause...Not all social media users, but there is a kind of digital solipsism. I watch slightly younger family members that document their entire lives through the "what will people on instagram think" ethos....And spend more time posing for an imagined audience then anything else. Seeking, always seeking this etherised approval. Their brains seemingly vacated with the imagined opinions of others....

However this excuse making isnt only about young people, its everyone...People worship their feelings over above all else. And because you ''felt'' like not doing something you promised to do is a legitimate excuse. I hear excuses every day and not ones I would find serious and exculpatory. "I just didnt feel like it" other than "like" is among my most heard phrases of the day. And this is what happens when feelings triumph over reason and peoples subjective states matter above all else. This is why relationships are also so mercurial-anyone in one knows you are not deliriously happy all the time. Sometimes you have conflicting needs, or wants, and compromises are made or bad things happen, illness, failure, financial trouble...and sometimes you are an asshole and you have an argument, but what was once seen as par for the course and things that were worked through are just abandoned because for a moment or a few a bad feeling overrode your good feelings...so NEXT. But it is not as if people are unaware of this phenomena. A friend of mine once told me that they lived for the beginning of a relationship. That rush. And excitement and once its over they find someone new....

The tendencies you are describing are much more multifaceted. You do need to treat people age appropriately, children should do some chores and learn the concept of work, but they shouldnt do hard labour. They should understand that things arent free and that parents arent ATMS, these are infinitesimal steps that need to be made over the course of their childhood...another lesson is that they will fail and they arent the best. You might love them to the end of the universe and back but not everyone will. Kids get awards for everything now, including attendance, in races everyone gets a ribbon and teachers cant use red pen!!!!!! Its this emotional frailty that you instill in them that is also an issue. Again, children shouldnt be told they suck but they should be given the means to discover their strengths and weaknesses on their own accord and not be shielded from that VERY pertinent reality. Because the amount of people that act like they are Gods is very infuriating. Or know it alls. Recently I had one guy, who has never picked up a philosophy book try and tell me he knew more about conceptions of well-being. When he started telling me it was about feelings I got annoyed and said my notion of goodness or happiness, was very classical. A good life was purposeful and it wasnt always about feeling good. Id rather be a doctor for doctors without borders, sometimes feeling depressed, scared or anxious but mostly seeing the good I perform than an heir to a fortune who has the means to satisfy very base emotional wants. Id rather be dissatisfied sometimes but feel my life has purpose and meaning. He then basically called me an idiot and said happiness was about feelings and I was a shit philosopher if I thought anything else because DUH everyone knows its about feelings. When I tried to explain that different people have different notions of happiness some which include virtues he shot me off and laughed at my apparent ''ignorance''-This is not normal behaviour....Only someone who was told they are good at everything and their opinions are gospel can think this way. Especially in an area they at once professed they know nothing about ie telling me they never read such books and then call me ignorant about something they are indeed ignorant of....It messes with your mind. But the behaviours you are talking about...have many varied causes
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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 2:38 pm

I'm not talking about puberty but about the supposed stage of adolescence after going puberty. After a boy goes through puberty, he's a man and that's the end of it. There is no in between or this adolescence nonsense, which was created by pseudo-science in order to further to be able to control us and keep us stupid.

Kids within America used to study Shakespeare, Rousseau, Voltaire, and etc. at the ages of 9-10, spoke like men, acted like men, worked with their fathers, and so forth. They didn't know any of this adolescence nonsense. You go to any third world country right now and you'll see the same thing. 8 year old kids in Afghanistan work with their fathers and talk like grown men. They're not wearing Barney shirts, watching Sesame Street, and all this other junk that keeps our people in child like states well into their late 20s. The schools here have raised kids to be kids for pretty much 40% of their life and then these kids have kids and the process repeats itself with the parents not giving a damn about what their kids are learning in school, which happens to be pretty much nothing but learning how to be a dumb zombie staring into the abyss with no creativity left in them whatsoever. Sparta and Athens raised not boys but, men. America used to be such a great nation but that all came to an end when mandatory schooling was put into place, followed by the artificial creation of adolescence in the mid 1900s. All of this obviously done intentionally by the elite.
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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 3:39 pm

the elitist agenda dumbed down the public into sheeple in the west, and the people thank them for it :D now that's funny.

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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 4:10 pm

Scimitar wrote:the elitist agenda dumbed down the public into sheeple in the west, and the people thank them for it :D now that's funny.

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Scimi, take this in for a second the word "pedagogue" originally referred to a slave who escorted children to school. Free people were never considered pedagogues and would have been a great insult to refer to a free man as one but yet we refer to the science of modern day schooling as "pedagogy".

People talk about needing more schooling for children and whatnot but that's the exact opposite of what we really need. You're better off learning how to read at home and becoming self sufficient that way. You'll end up being more creative, intelligent, and a far better reader. The greatest minds and inventions came from people that never really spent a lot of time in the mandatory public schooling systems of the West.

Here's a quote from one of the boards that was critical in setting up the schooling system within the US. The quote's from a 1906 document from Rockefellar’s General Education Board called Occasional Letter Number One:

“We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or men of science. We have not to raise up from among them authors, educators, poets or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians, nor lawyers doctors, preachers, politicians, statesmen, of whom we have ample supply. The task we set before ourselves is simple…We will organize children…and teach them to do in a perfect way the things their fathers and mothers are doing in an imperfect way.”
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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 4:23 pm

I completely agree with this.

In school, I was a total failure, i didn't learn anything because it was all too staged, not enough teachers - too many students, an all boys school - so i got into a lot of fights, lots and lots etc... I left school with U's (ungraded) in most subjects...

in my final years parents evening, my teachers told my parents that I was not going to amount to anything so to put me into a job and to forget about college... i went to college anyway and still messed about it - it's hard to break a habit one is used to eh?

Anyway, a few years back, we had a reunion, students and teachers... I went to it, and enjoyed it very much, but much to my surprise, the intelligent kids had menial jobs - and they were really rubbish at making a point, to top it all off, it's like they went from being smart to being dumb - and this was reflected in a comment by one of my old teachers. she said something to the tune of:

"I'm really confused, I never took you guys to be so quiet, and I never took Mohsen to be such a informed, how did you learn all these things Mohsen?"

I replied "I read books now Miss."

paradigm shift.

Self study allows one to elaborate on their thoughts, develop a method, self critique and more... these things we don't get taugfht in school - and these are the things we need to really develop our intellectual infrastructure.

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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 5:20 pm

Scimitar wrote:I completely agree with this.

In school, I was a total failure, i didn't learn anything because it was all too staged, not enough teachers - too many students, an all boys school - so i got into a lot of fights, lots and lots etc... I left school with U's (ungraded) in most subjects...


When you're not doing good in school, it's usually a sign that you're on the right track. Some of the greatest minds did horrible in school but ended up being geniuses. The primary objective of the schooling system is for them to rob you of your creativity and individualism. And the few that realize this quickly drop out of school or simply just stop trying and just go through the motions for the sake of finishing.

Scimitar wrote:in my final years parents evening, my teachers told my parents that I was not going to amount to anything so to put me into a job and to forget about college... i went to college anyway and still messed about it - it's hard to break a habit one is used to eh?


They also told Malcolm X and Einstein that they wouldn't amount to anything but look what they were able to accomplish :wink:

Scimitar wrote:Anyway, a few years back, we had a reunion, students and teachers... I went to it, and enjoyed it very much, but much to my surprise, the intelligent kids had menial jobs - and they were really rubbish at making a point, to top it all off, it's like they went from being smart to being dumb - and this was reflected in a comment by one of my old teachers. she said something to the tune of:

"I'm really confused, I never took you guys to be so quiet, and I never took Mohsen to be such a informed, how did you learn all these things Mohsen?"

I replied "I read books now Miss."

paradigm shift.

Self study allows one to elaborate on their thoughts, develop a method, self critique and more... these things we don't get taugfht in school - and these are the things we need to really develop our intellectual infrastructure.

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That's the point of school, to make you dumb. The teachers like the slave Pedagogue had only one job, which was to look after you and drill the masters teaching into your head and in this case being the teachings of the elite/state. The public schooling here makes its students hate to read, write, or do anything that will make you a better person and that's why so few people read nowadays. Also the West is always talking about their high literacy rates but yet they fail to mention that most people can't understand anything they read nowadays. In the 1800s kids in grade 5 before Federal public schooling took over, were reading Shakespeare, Rousseau, Voltaire, Kant, and etc. in their original forms but now you don't get into that stuff until college and even then it's a water-downed made for "dummies" version that they still can't fully comprehend.
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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 5:38 pm

ball and chain bro, ball and chain... that's how they get through life, enslaved by the moentary system, ascribed to its media pushed lies, self absorbed in material conquests and opinionated without due concern for logic, or method in thought.

that's humanity in the modern age - the de-evolution of mankinds greatest asset, the inability to "think" properly.

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Re: Adolescence

PostWed Jan 14, 2015 7:00 pm

Scimitar wrote:ball and chain bro, ball and chain... that's how they get through life, enslaved by the moentary system, ascribed to its media pushed lies, self absorbed in material conquests and opinionated without due concern for logic, or method in thought.

that's humanity in the modern age - the de-evolution of mankinds greatest asset, the inability to "think" properly.

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The school is the biggest part of the current corrupt system we live in that completely disrupts us and which that allows the system to stay intact and constantly reproduce itself. The public schooling system conditions us to always be consuming but never teaching us how to produce.

The past year so far, I've been deprogramming my 13 year old brother from all that nonsense he learns at school. The school acts like a prison, looks like a prison, then therefore it must be a prison.

When I have a kid of my own you can bet that, if I get the time, I will be homeschooling my kid and if not I will make sure to engage them in proper dialectical discussions, walks out at a park, play an instrument, and make sure they love to read high level literature in their purest forms.
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