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Karlysymon wrote:I on the other hand believe otherwise, that the Bible has gone to great lengths to lay out this subject as it is because of the serious implications of 'living dead'. People who contact their dead loved ones later on make them their first go-to source for the future events and counsel. Taking the place of God. Later on, many deify them, breaking the 1st commandment. The bible is our defence against this kind of deception. Christ, Himself sealed the deal and was in agreement with earlier writers in John 5:28,29
Hear me out though Karly. When Samuel was written, would the readers have known that it wasnt Samuel but it was a demon mimicking Samuel? Or would they have read those verses and concluded that it was Samuel? If they wouldnt have concluded that, why in your opinion? I dont disagree with what you said above concerning taking the place of God, deifying, or making the contacted the go to source for counsel.
as you are aware, this happened some 13yrs before Saul died. If God, through Samuel never spoke to Saul till the prophet died. Why would God, through a dead 'Samuel' give Saul counsel? Iam sure David heard of that incident. Why didn't he ever conjure up the prophet who anoited him?
As for the one resurrection, iam assuming you are talking about a mass resurrection because Christ rose and countless others with Him. There are actually two 'mass' resurrections. When Christ returns, the righteous dead will come to life but the wicked dead will not because they can neither live in heaven nor earth because it will become uninhabitable.
I personally believe that Samuel spoke to Saul before his death. And I think thats supported when Saul contacts Samuel and Samuel tells him what he already told him before his death. Im simply reading whats written and whats written (in Samuel at least) says Samuel appeared. Im also not making it as if Saul was right in doing what he did. All Im saying is the book of Samuel says that the ghost that appeared was Samuel. So Im not sure why I should ignore that because a writer thousands of years later says something otherwise.
Which leads to what I was saying about the bible not being 100% clear because of Moses appearing when he should have been dead. Moses being given an exception isnt written anywhere, so how was he seen with Jesus and Elijah? Thats not a clear message to me but to each their own.
We can run with the conversation till it runs out of gas. These kinds of discussions make one see things anew and one even learns something. Same thing with my conversation with Loki. So thank you! Honestly. If we hadn't run with it, i'd never have learned that tidbit about Saul that i mentioned earlier. We can agree to disagree. At the end of the day, we will all stand singly before God to account for our actions. But i hope to see you on that sea of glass! Really.
Sounds good to me and yea we all have the same good intention of just doing whats right in this life before passing onto a better existence afterwards. Though we have different ways of going about it. So I just hope that God reads our hearts and helps those of us who are serious about our intentions into reaching that goal. So I share that hope for you as well as myself and others who are at least TRYING to find whats right.. The bible doesnt seem to suggest that alot of people will reach it though...