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Exposing Vigilant Citizen

PostFri Oct 13, 2017 4:30 pm

Okay so i know this is a little ungrateful from me but i see no other way to express myself.

First, God Exists. That's a fact. Nobody at all can explain where they got their bodies from. One could say that my body originated from my parents. But then, what would any parent say? They would probably say the same at least right? And this would go on and on with our grandparents up till our first ancestor, the first man and woman. Who would have made them i wonder? Did they always exist? I doubt that, given that the human being is subjected to so many needs that surround us like oxygen and food for instance. A being that has needs and that depends on things which are exterior to him and who has limited control over each and any thing cannot be deified in any way. The forces at work want to deify any thing and make us forget God and they've started their propaganda by blinding us through general media. God Is The Most Important of all truths.

Second, Vigilant Citizen constantly bickers about one eyed symbolism, satanic influence in the general media, immorality being propagated constantly but what solution does he propose to all those things which should never have been permitted to surface? In his about the author section on his site, he says that he is exposing the truth and further says that this site is NOT for everybody. Wait a minute, so isn't truth for everybody then? What is your agenda VC? I'm calling you out here in case this counts as backbiting. Rest assured i would speak right to your face too if God Grants me the opportunity.

Third, i've been on your site since the second iteration if i remember correctly. God Knows Best though. And then i was banned for what reason? For having said that i was somebody else, my friend. I used his photos and wanted people to believe that i was really him simply because in my mind, i wanted God to reward Him for me inviting others to the truth. But then came a time when i just couldn't keep on letting people believe that i was him. I really don't know why but i think i finally gave myself up and announced to all the members that i was not who i had claimed to be. So i'm the one who impersonated him and i'm still the one who said afterwards that it wasn't me maybe because it wasn't the truth and i was fighting for the greatest of all truths. I guess it's the power of truth itself, God's Power, that compelled me to expose myself.
But was that sufficient reason to ban me? I don't really think so. I really think that it was just an excuse you were presented with. God Knows Best. However, i would never, if i was really a real truther, ever ban somebody who speaks on God's Behalf.

Fourth, i've been on the most recent iteration of your site and i just couldn't help myself concerning speaking about God even in the non-religious section. I was never doing this purposefully. It just came naturally. But then again, i was banned supposedly for ignoring the rules. What rules are you talking about for real? I really doubt people do read the rules before joining your forum. But then again, the rules in question are linked and need to be clicked upon by somebody who's signing up. Why don't you stipulate the rules CLEARLY when we sign up? Let me cite those rules here anyway:

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Please read and understand these rules before posting on the forums.

You ask people to read those rules before posting but i seriously wonder how many members really do read those rules?

By posting on the VC Forums, you hereby agree to respect the following rules.

Do not post spam, advertising, self-promotion.

What do you have to fear from anybody or anything man? If somebody spams and if you really care about your forum, how much trouble does it take to clean up? If anybody is advertising, so what? Shouldn't you be grateful that through you they are achieving whatever they want to achieve, monetary or otherwise? A believer is somebody who likes for himself what he likes for others. Are you not a believer???

Do not post “offensive” posts, links or images. This includes gore, violence, and pornography.

Again, any believer in God wouldn't really dare offend anybody and wouldn't even be using any immoral material.

Do not post material which is defamatory, abusive, hateful, threatening, contains personal information of others, risks copyright infringement, encourages unlawful activity, or otherwise violates any laws.
Do not attack forum members on a personal level. This includes insults, name calling, flaming, baiting and repeated harassment.
Do not post anything that constitutes hate speech against a race, a religion or any other group.
Do not purposely troll, derail or ridicule discussions and forum members.

[i]See above.[/i]

Keep religious discussions and proselytizing in the Religions forums.

Religion and God are TWO separate things. What if somebody is close to God? What would he talk about if not God Himself?

Do not create alternate or "sock puppet" accounts. This will result in the permanent ban of all accounts.

Would any God-Fearing person seek to deceive anybody? Also, if you've banned somebody and he comes back, does that mean that he hasn't changed for the better? Why condemn anybody like that? I've signed up three or four times again on your forum so as to be able to preach and every time i did, i did so in the religious section. So why ban me again? I think people can testify that i never promoted any other thing but God Himself each and every time i made a new account. And everytime i would get banned for ''spam''. So talking about God is spam, huh? See you on Judgment Day brother. Or even better, before that takes place, let's see you have to face a bunch of immoral atheists who want nothing except self-gratification and then maybe you'll know the worth of somebody who fears God and who prefers others over himself even if he has to go hungry in so doing.

Do not question moderation actions in the forums. Please use the report function to report rule violations or send a PM to the administration.

How dictatorial for somebody who doesn't even promote belief in God. So you want people to obey you but you don't even care whether they know The Ultimate Truth or not? Also, what's this thing about kindergarten reporting to the teacher? So childish man! So lame! Seriously, what are you even promoting i wonder? I was never one to like having to report others and thank God, even though i'm pretty sure many people reported me simply for expressing myself, i never ever really reported anybody in my life, let alone your forum. Seriously man, what's your agenda? Expose the truth? What truth? Evil people in the media? So they can't change? They can't repent? They can't return to God? What if, during the time that you're busy writing an article about them, bad-naming and condemning them and their actions, they have already returned to God and changed their ways? What would you do then? Would you delete all those bad things you said about their past? Would you seriously???

Do not request the deletion of all of your posts. If you post something on these forums, please make sure you are fully comfortable with it.

Shut the hell up man. If i want to delete any of my posts it's my write. What kind of dumb rule is this???

The administration reserves the right to move threads deemed controversial or problematic to The Den, a forum only accessible to members.

Shut the hell up man, what administration are you talking about? A shady one for sure where we don't even know you like at all! You don't even really care for your members! You're a greedy individual, selling the truth supposedly for what, for money??? Truth is priceless you devil worshiper. Truth cannot be bought with money. It's God-Given. MEND YOUR WAYS!


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Another thing, you keep banning a good lady, Chassidy. Seriously, how rude are you VC? You keep banning somebody who just wants to be accepted and understood and you just keep banning her again and again and again? What will that do except increase her frustration? You could even have been held responsible if she had ever decided to harm herself. You're so lame!

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Re: Exposing Vigilant Citizen

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 5:58 pm

I'm going to try to take some time later to point-by-point help you understand why things work the way they do there and on forums in general, but for now I'll just say that I understand your frustration, and Chassidy's (I don't like using her real name but you did, so whatever), because it always sucks to feel like you are being punished for something when you believe you were never in the wrong in the first place, but unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around any of us and our peers don't have to, and likely won't, always see things our way and we have to learn to deal with that. Until you can deal with that and approach things from a different perspective and really own up to your own mistakes and actions, then nothing will ever change and you will keep getting the same results.

I personally don't have any vested interest in VC or protecting him, we are no more than friendly acquaintances really, but I don't think you are making a ton of sense, nor do I really think this is the way one should handle something like this. However, I do understand, like I said, the frustration that comes with not having an opportunity to say your piece, especially if you feel you've been wronged. I've been there before and it sucks, so that's why I'm going to leave this up and maybe converse a bit with you about it. Well, that and the fact that nobody really visits this place any more so it doesn't matter much if you slander an anonymous online personality haha. However, Hex is responsible for this site so if any complaints are made then the repercussions would fall on him, so if he sees this and decides to remove it that is totally his prerogative, which you should respect.
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Re: Exposing Vigilant Citizen

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 10:31 pm

money talks, is all i'm saying ;)
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Re: Exposing Vigilant Citizen

PostTue Oct 17, 2017 11:43 pm

Thank you for your replies. As i said, i still feel a little ungrateful for slandering him because ultimately it is Allah's Will that i have been banned in the first place and not VC's will himself since God's Will Supersedes all other wills, whether they are of good or evil intent. Also, nothing can benefit nor harm us except if God Wills it to either benefit or harm us. The forum could have therefore been harmful to me in ways that i couldn't have foreseen which is mainly why i believe God Let it happen to begin with.

What i have against the forum moderator is that he couldn't recognize the worth of somebody who's siding with God and who's encouraging belief in Him. Add to that the deletion of many of my posts which didn't promote anything but God Himself. I felt wronged, true. Anyway, it's not that big a deal and as i had said during my time there, i don't really care about getting banned or not. All i care about is that people believe in God for their own salvation after death.

And about Chassidy being banned, it's just hallucinating that she keeps on getting banned every time she reappears. It's simply inadmissible, to me at least, that a forum moderator doesn't empathize with his members. As i said, he could have talked to her. He could have warned even me about breaking the rules. He could have gotten personal if he really cared. But i don't really think that he really cares about people. It's more like he cares about his own self. If i was in his place, there's be no way that i'd be charging anything for exposing the truth. Those books that he sells, i'd have had them given out for free. I'd have cherished each and every member of my forum. I'd have made sure that morality prevails instead of immorality. Anyway, all of that doesn't depend on me. God Is The Guide. I could only deliver the message. And then again, i'm a work in progress and all i can really say is that sitting behind a computer screen is not really the way to deliver the message. God Bless you all. Yeah, hex can do whatever he wants. I won't be slandering THIS forum for sure, God Willing. I heard he was a Muslim before? Shame really. May Allah Guide us all. Amen.
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Re: Exposing Vigilant Citizen

PostWed Oct 18, 2017 1:08 pm

slave_of_God wrote:Thank you for your replies. As i said, i still feel a little ungrateful for slandering him because ultimately it is Allah's Will that i have been banned in the first place and not VC's will himself since God's Will Supersedes all other wills, whether they are of good or evil intent. Also, nothing can benefit nor harm us except if God Wills it to either benefit or harm us. The forum could have therefore been harmful to me in ways that i couldn't have foreseen which is mainly why i believe God Let it happen to begin with.


I don't necessarily agree with your sentiment, but I do think it's a fine way of looking at the situation. God or no god the universe has a tendency to work in mysterious ways. I think maybe the universe has been encouraging Aiylish to distance herself from such things for a long while for her own good.

What i have against the forum moderator is that he couldn't recognize the worth of somebody who's siding with God and who's encouraging belief in Him. Add to that the deletion of many of my posts which didn't promote anything but God Himself. I felt wronged, true. Anyway, it's not that big a deal and as i had said during my time there, i don't really care about getting banned or not. All i care about is that people believe in God for their own salvation after death.


You have to understand that what you think is important won't be the same as what others think is important. To you getting people to believe in God is of paramount importance, but to others it is a pointless endeavor. Of course you believe you are in the right, because you are you. You wouldn't believe the things you do if you didn't think they were the truth. But you can't force your perspective on others, and I would encourage you to attempt to gain some perspective as well. In my years on these boards I've noticed a trend in Muslim posters more than others that you all have a very tough time putting yourselves in other's shoes and seeing things from their perspective and really understanding how and why they see things the way they do. I have to believe it has something to do with your culture being very monotone (for lack of a better word), or being very one way as opposed to the West where it's generally a very mixed culture with many influences. And also I'm sure your religious texts have something to do with it as well, perhaps by encouraging you all to avoid sympathizing with non-Muslim beliefs and ideas or something. I could be totally wrong but it's just something I've noticed.

And about Chassidy being banned, it's just hallucinating that she keeps on getting banned every time she reappears. It's simply inadmissible, to me at least, that a forum moderator doesn't empathize with his members.


I don't think you are intending to use "hallucinating" or "inadmissible" in these contexts, but I'm not sure what exactly you wanted to say. Either way, you have to understand the history she has with the boards to understand why she won't ever be allowed to stay there. Her best shot at staying was as Tanya I think, but she had a break down due to my outing her (which I've apologized for as it wasn't my intention to set her off. I simply was tired of the fakeness and lies) and self-imploded those chances. The rules state that after you've been banned once you're done for good, so that is what it is, however, she also has a long and toxic history with old iterations of those boards and her time here. I like to think she is capable of change, and hopefully while she decides to participate here we can see that change in action, but only time will tell.

As i said, he could have talked to her. He could have warned even me about breaking the rules. He could have gotten personal if he really cared. But i don't really think that he really cares about people. It's more like he cares about his own self.


This is precisely the case, but I don't think that speaks poorly of him really. Again, you have to put yourself in his shoes. It's easier for me because I've technically been in them while I was administrator at VCF for however many years. It's exhausting. You are dealing with dozens, if not a hundred or more people at times (though only a handful are really problematic usually) and they are anonymous people you don't know or have any real personal connection with. For VC it's even less of a personal connection because he doesn't interact with them on a daily, or even weekly, basis really. You should also understand that he mostly cares about the main website and the content he puts out, and yes, he also cares about the supplemental income he gets from that website I'm sure. If anyone thinks he doesn't do this at least partly for the money then they are naïve. The forums were a late addition that he could honestly probably do without, but I do think he likes that he can give his readers a place to engage with one another in long-form and also he probably doesn't hate the ad revenue the forum generates very much either.

If you went into his website thinking he does it for no profit and out of the goodness of his heart then you were simply wrong. That is what Hex (and to some extent myself, but Hex pays for and maintains this place) did with this place because he cared about his fellow posters and after VCF shut down they had nowhere to go and he had the necessary skills to give them that place, though it was meant to be much more temporary. Hex is also a young man with no family currently, whereas VC is probably in his late thirties and has at least one child and a wife to take care of. Those are his real priorities.


If i was in his place, there's be no way that i'd be charging anything for exposing the truth. Those books that he sells, i'd have had them given out for free. I'd have cherished each and every member of my forum. I'd have made sure that morality prevails instead of immorality.


That's well and good, but you aren't him and that's not how he operates. You can accept that for what it is or rage against the machine, but nothing will change on that front. Ironically, the things that you find appalling about how he operates his site/business are the same things that make him successful at what he does and so many others who want to do it your way are rarely successful. Unfortunately, your way is not very viable ultimately, especially the part about morality and immorality. As soon as you take a stance like that you've cut your potential audience to shreds because morality is subjective and if you go around enforcing your ideals of morality you will alienate all "others" until all you have is a very small circlejerk of Muslims, which you likely already have on Whatsapp, right?
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